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[讨论] 中国大规模抛售美国国债

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 楼主| 发表于 2010-2-17 11:05 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 中隐隐于市 于 2010-2-17 11:04 发表
你骂别人,别人也可以骂你,你明白吗?何况你是个五毛,人人得而诛之

你别说了
会让帖子质量越来越低的#*22*#
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发表于 2010-2-17 11:06 | 显示全部楼层
人垃圾,帖就垃圾,呵呵,你自己知道就好

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发表于 2010-2-17 11:07 | 显示全部楼层
这个点位抛售国债,搞不好就是个低位。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-2-17 11:07 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 中隐隐于市 于 2010-2-17 11:06 发表
人垃圾,帖就垃圾,呵呵,你自己知道就好

#*29*# #*29*# #*29*#

你在中国股市赚钱,不也是鱼肉自己的同胞吗?
怎么?你把QFII套住了?#*22*# #*22*#
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-2-17 11:08 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 sti4yy 于 2010-2-17 11:07 发表
这个点位抛售国债,搞不好就是个低位。

中美打经济战,这个时候抛国债,是信号作用
个人看法#*19*#
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发表于 2010-2-17 11:13 | 显示全部楼层
现行体制,你再有危机感也没有用.你不过和你我都是看客而已!
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-2-17 11:15 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 godzhangbin 于 2010-2-17 11:13 发表
现行体制,你再有危机感也没有用.你不过和你我都是看客而已!

有点道理#*19*#
不过有没有危机感是一个人良心和道德的体现#*19*#
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发表于 2010-2-17 11:16 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 wlhlesley 于 2010-2-17 10:11 发表

减持的是美国国债
而不是美元
减持国债对减少贸易顺差有什么作用?
当年欧美能让日本签订广场协议
一纸协议能让日元汇率翻番,靠的是什么?真的是靠协议?

至于你说的王子公孙的问题,我没有否认
这就 ...

我记得论坛里有一篇文章 我找找给你看
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-2-17 11:22 | 显示全部楼层
http://bbs.macd.cn/thread-1774048-1-1.html
文化入侵,最高境界的斗争
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发表于 2010-2-17 11:23 | 显示全部楼层
找到了 但是不知道怎么给链接 那里面有一个原文的链接 可以看

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sa ... anipu_b_162945.html

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Does China manipulate its currency? This question has been the subject of some debate over the past decade. In his responses to Questions for the Record (.pdf), Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner stated that:


President Obama - backed by the conclusions of a broad range of economists - believes that China is manipulating its currency. President Obama has pledged as President to use aggressively all the diplomatic avenues open to him to seek change in China's currency practices.
This unequivocal statement of fact hides a much more complex picture.


An Imbalanced Relationship

The International Monetary Fund has long set the rules which govern exchange rates. Specifically, members are obligated to:


avoid manipulating exchange rates or the international monetary system in order to prevent effective balance of payments adjustment or to gain an unfair competitive advantage over other members.
In 2007, for the first time in 30 years, the IMF released a new policy on "surveillance," a set of activities it conducts to monitor members' compliance with their obligations. This new policy laid out seven indicators of potential non-compliance with these commitments.


According to many observers both inside and outside government, measurements of these seven indicators strongly suggest that China is indeed manipulating its currency. The numbers cited most frequently in support of this are the current account (trade) balances run by the US and China: we run a massive deficit; they run a massive surplus.

In theory, if governments did not intervene, these balances would move towards zero. When the US imports goods, it has to sell dollars and buy the local currency of the exporter (like the Chinese renminbi, or RMB) to pay for these goods. Markets for currency, like all other markets, are driven by supply and demand. So, large amounts of imports imply that large quantities of dollars are being sold, which means that the dollar should lose value relative to other currencies.

The Other Side

However, the dollar hasn't lost as much value against the yuan as some think it ought to, and the current account balances remain far from zero. This is because China has been actively purchasing US dollars, mostly in the form of government bonds, at a rate of $15 billion to $20 billion a month. So, by selling the RMB and buying the dollar at such a pace, China could be construed as engaging in a "protracted large-scale intervention in one direction in the exchange market," one of the seven indicators of non-compliance with IMF Principles.

There are three important caveats to this. The first is that if the US government didn't run such massive budget deficits, it wouldn't have to issue large numbers of bonds, and China wouldn't be able to hold down the value of the RMB as easily. Second, the US has had a "strong dollar" policy since the Clinton administration, mostly to make it easier to finance deficits by selling government bonds. (A drop in the value of the dollar would make previous investments in US government debt less valuable for foreign investors, and so make future purchases of US debt less attractive). Because of the massive stimulus package which is likely to be enacted, President Obama will have to continue this policy. If it didn't run deficits the US could afford to let the dollar slide. Third, amassing large amounts of foreign currency is a wise policy, given the history of the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997-8. According to the Congressional Research Service, among the causes of this devastating crisis were currencies that are linked to the dollar via a fixed exchange rate, a weak banking sector, and insufficient currency reserves. Since both the first and the second of these could be used to describe the Chinese economy today, the government could make a strong case that ensuring that their country has adequate reserves to hedge against the possibility of capital flight is not wise financial planning.

Bleeding Jobs

The reason the President, Treasury Secretary, and a number of other politicians make a big deal about China and currency manipulation is because of concerns about US jobs. Obviously it's been a tough year for manufacturing - about 149,000 manufacturing jobs were lost just between November and December 2008 - so this is reasonable. Unfortunately, the anger toward exchange rates is misdirected.

Even some critics of Chinese policy acknowledge that exchange rates are not the primary cause of the US propensity to run up huge bills on imports, which are alleged to be undercutting domestic industry and employment. As Morris Goldstein of the Institute for International Economics noted in 2005 (.pdf):


...one should not exaggerate the likely impact of Asian currency appreciation on the US current-account imbalance. A 20 percent appreciation of all Asian currencies would likely reduce the US current -account deficit by about $80 billion.
The current account imbalance that year was some $660 billion. And recent estimates indicate that the RMB may be undervalued by as little as 10%.


The main reason China and other countries undercut US manufacturing is wages. The average income in China is $2,025 a year. The average figure for the US is more than 20 times higher. Chinese production costs are lower, so the goods it exports can be cheaper and still profitable.

What To Do

Going after China "aggressively" on its exchange rate policy, as Treasury Secretary Geithner has pledged to do, would not be wise. It won't help address the job losses which have made this a hot issue, and it will strain relations with a major world power. If Geithner and others truly want to deal with the trade imbalance with China, they will have to recognize that reducing our massive fiscal deficits is likely to be the both the most difficult and most effective way of doing so.
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发表于 2010-2-17 11:24 | 显示全部楼层
等楼主看懂了上文的意思之后,对中国买卖美国国债就有新的理解了,我也是看了才理解的
纯粹经济问题
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-2-17 11:27 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 wen_jb 于 2010-2-17 11:24 发表
等楼主看懂了上文的意思之后,对中国买卖美国国债就有新的理解了,我也是看了才理解的
纯粹经济问题

我会看看的,多谢你费心#*19*# #*19*#
但是有你所说的纯粹的经济吗?#*31*# #*31*#
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发表于 2010-2-17 11:27 | 显示全部楼层
这里讲了 贸易顺差 汇率 美国财政赤字 美国国债 之间的相互关系
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-2-17 11:29 | 显示全部楼层
利益是所有问题的核心!
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发表于 2010-2-17 11:30 | 显示全部楼层
讨论的很精彩,对骂也很精彩,赞一个
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发表于 2010-2-17 11:33 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 wlhlesley 于 2010-2-17 11:29 发表
利益是所有问题的核心!



这是万象的本质。#*d1*#
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-2-17 11:34 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 gaolerfu 于 2010-2-17 11:30 发表
讨论的很精彩,对骂也很精彩,赞一个

没有对骂#*19*# #*19*#
骂有何用?不能解决任何问题,只是懦弱者安慰自己的手段而已#*11*#
讨论还是可以的,至少可以增益智慧#loveliness#
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发表于 2010-2-17 11:39 | 显示全部楼层
人呢~吃好穿好··想法就多起来##要说灭亡先是发达国家灭亡〉〉因为他们走到了天的尽头〉〉只有侵略或者说自我消退 才能苟延存活//中国地大物博,人口众多{美国人是望洋兴叹没有这个能力}只有中国人团结%政权稳定。外国侵华势力是很难得逞!身为中国人我感到了自豪##因为国在家在*金无足赤,哪个国家都有不切任意地方,把眼睛放在美丽的地方,这样不致于天天忧郁!!
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发表于 2010-2-17 11:43 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 kinmi 于 2010-2-17 10:33 发表

    "历史"?我倒觉得你的历史观更过于肤浅。不错,香港台湾确实走的很现代化,既然扯到历史,只能说它们不是中国历史的根基,在中国历史上,就是近现代史上,也就是点缀而已!相反,它们是中国近现代走是屈辱 ...



“香港台湾确实走的很现代化……”我的意思是讲,除了大陆的教科书,我们还可以从这些地方看历史。这与香港和台湾的现代化与否没有关系,最重要的就是这些地方记录的历史事件和我们大陆记录的历史事件有很多不同,也和网络的不同,有些区别可以从不同的离场和角度去理解,但是更多的区别可以令人耳目一新。同一的事件真相只有一个,既然要辩证的看待就必须能够有相对全面的认识。这里需要特别说明的是香港的书籍,看看作为英国殖民地是如何看待近代事件的。我们在大陆看到的相当部分是片面的,因为写历史教科书的人都不能公正的记录历史。从香港、台湾那里通过他们的角度和记录看历史,特别是清末的历史,结论完全不一样。虽然许多都可以归结为文明的冲突,但是我们必须吸取教训。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-2-17 11:44 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 天涯方圆 于 2010-2-17 11:39 发表
人呢~吃好穿好··想法就多起来##要说灭亡先是发达国家灭亡〉〉因为他们走到了天的尽头〉〉只有侵略或者说自我消退 才能苟延存活//中国地大物博,人口众多{美国人是望洋兴叹没有这个能力}只有中国人团结%政权稳 ...

兄台很会养心啊#*d1*#
所谓知足者常乐,人生智慧#*d1*#
兄估计是个业已退休或者闲云野鹤
看得开,放得下
不顺心之事常有,不可能事事顺意
生死存亡之大事,亦有命苦者担忧
自己做个人间神仙,好不快乐!
水镜先生抑或竹林七贤当是兄之偶像#loveliness#
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