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[大盘交流] 我所理解的趋势

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发表于 2009-7-23 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 黑牛708 于 2009-7-23 18:46 发表

在这个放大一倍的时间周期里,你若持有4年,应该在绿剑卖出。在你中途加码的过程里,若从银行贷款或者使用杠杆,你一定已经破产了。你看不到9年后它在2007年56元的曙光。


00年卖出后,之间几年一直是下降趋势,为何要中途加码?

如果按趋势操作,要等到06年上升趋势确立时,再次介入。
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发表于 2009-7-23 19:43 | 显示全部楼层
:) :) :)
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发表于 2009-7-23 20:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 铁沐真 于 2009-7-23 19:32 发表


00年卖出后,之间几年一直是下降趋势,为何要中途加码?

如果按趋势操作,要等到06年上升趋势确立时,再次介入。


对于一般散户铁兄说的很正确,对于职业股民要求有点低,不要求上涨领先大盘,最重要的是下跌也能赚钱,产生涨几倍的行情很少(而且还要拿得住),炒手如果就靠那几次吃饭,还不如专心打工除非资金丰厚几年赚一次就够了:*22*:

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发表于 2009-7-23 20:37 | 显示全部楼层
长线投资 还分析什么技术 闷在家里分析技术 还不如去上市公司看看 分析基本面:*22*:
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发表于 2009-7-23 20:41 | 显示全部楼层

回复 #17 怒海狂涛 的帖子

W.D. Gann Trading Methods - Genius Trader or Overrated Guru

W.D. Gann is one of the most famous traders of all time, and has a huge devoted following - however the fact is, Gann never made the huge profits many of his disciples claim.

He did not have a success rate of 90%, as is often claimed - the logic his methods are based upon are unsound, and his predictive methods don’t predict - they leave everything to subjective opinion!

Let’s examine his theories of investment in more detail and see.

Let’s look at some common myths about how great a trader Gann actually was:

Many sources quote Gann’s trading profits at $50 million dollars, however this is not true.

An interview that Alexander Elder had with his son tells the truth.

Firstly, his son confirmed that when his father died in the 1950s his estate was valued at just $100,000 - and that included his house.

Secondly, his son confirmed that Gann was unable to make enough money from trading, and therefore supplemented his income by writing and selling courses.

W.D. Gann’s Predictions

Many sources quote he had a success rate in all his trades of over 90% - again not true. We can easily deduce this from the value of his estate.

If he could make money trading and had a 90% success rate, he would have made hundreds of millions in his trading career - and he clearly did not - that’s why he had to sell books and courses.

The only evidence of a 90% success rate came from a small number of trades - and was not representative of them all.

Gann’s Methods are Predictive

Gann came to the conclusion that all natural phenomena are cyclical - including financial markets. This is true, but this is an obvious statement - we all know we’re going to die but when exactly?

A predictive theory is not a predictive theory if it can’t predict.

If Gann’s theory really is predictive, then there would be no market - as we would all know the price in advance!

Gann’s theory is subjective - and he really had no way of predicting the future with accuracy. It’s all subjective analysis and this is NOT a predictive theory.

Gann’s Logic

The basis of Gann’s theory is the principle that price and time must balance.

His methods are based on the squaring of price with time - this occurs when a unit of price equals a unit of time.

Gann for example would take a prominent high in the market, convert that dollar unit into a specified period of time and project it forward. When that time is reached, price and time are squared - and a market turn is due.

What? - How can one unit of price equal one unit of time? If you think about and answer this question for yourself, you will see how absurd the connection is.

This isn’t the only inconsistency used in his analysis - we also have the legendary Fibonacci numbers which are supposed to work with stunning accuracy - but they don’t, and neither do all sorts of astrology and geometry, that appeals to the far out investment crowd.

As we have seen, Gann was a trader who had modest success, and claimed to have discovered a predictive theory - which predicts nothing with accuracy.

Finally, we have so many subjective indicators cobbled together, that the theory can prove anything in hindsight, but if you want a tool to trade the markets look elsewhere.

For those of you still not convinced - I recently saw on the Internet, Gann’s trading methods selling for under $1,000!

Sounds like a bargain to get trades with 90% accuracy - I wonder how many serious money managers have it on their bookshelf.

Enough said.

[ 本帖最后由 justforfun626 于 2009-7-23 20:43 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-7-23 20:41 | 显示全部楼层

回复 #21 铁沐真 的帖子

欢迎你的讨论.:*19*:
你可能没有完全明白,这两个图形我要表达的意思.

如果我们能提前确定分清楚牛市和熊市,并把它运用到大大小小的周期里,那我们就太幸福了.:*19*:

所以,是否能确认一个趋势是否走到某个级别的尽头,是需要时间的.而时间到了,被确认了,大多数情况下,我们也就玩完了.比如我们看这个图形.这个股票,也是我经常进出的一个股票,000968,我们先看图形

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发表于 2009-7-23 20:45 | 显示全部楼层

回复 #25 justforfun626 的帖子

来源:网上Google一下。

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发表于 2009-7-23 20:49 | 显示全部楼层
学习ing........................................
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发表于 2009-7-23 20:55 | 显示全部楼层
:) :) :)
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发表于 2009-7-23 20:57 | 显示全部楼层
玩完了才知道趋势了,所以在玩的时候多是摸石头过河,只有一段段的摸过去,也就是黑牛大哥的持续赢利原则。
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发表于 2009-7-23 20:57 | 显示全部楼层
老老实实把握好自己的时间,做有限而有效率的事情,就是我们该做的

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发表于 2009-7-23 20:58 | 显示全部楼层
所以,是否能确认一个趋势是否走到某个级别的尽头,是需要时间的.而时间到了,被确认了,大多数情况下,我们也就玩完了.
这个理念我很赞同
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-7-23 20:59 | 显示全部楼层

回复 #20 铁沐真 的帖子

按趋势操作可以挣前,牛市捂股熊市休息,我什么时候否定了?这个帖子也不是否定这个.:*22*: :*19*: 这个帖子探讨的是,如何认识趋势的问题,我们是否能完全把握的问题.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-7-23 21:04 | 显示全部楼层
000968在今年5月18日出新高19.6元,(见框)之后一直在这个结果下面,走下跌趋势,走了一个多月,其中还跌破趋势线(绿剑),在下面一周.
      如果120天没有越过19.6,这个框就是一个中期顶,为期半年以上了. QQ截图未命名1.bmp

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发表于 2009-7-23 21:08 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢牛兄的好帖,‘45年’ 里很多地方讲了下停损单的情况,牛兄好象这一讲里没考虑这个问题?:*19*:

下图里的框,是否算江讲的3底啊?初学这、配合讨论,有错勿怪:*19*:
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-7-23 21:09 | 显示全部楼层
在50个交易日后,从新摸上并越过19.6,我们终于看到了19.6是个短顶,你看清楚了19.6是个短顶,不是个中期或者长期的顶,是在经历50天后的事.
     这其中如果你在19元附近介入了,你要经历什么样的心理活动呢?
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发表于 2009-7-23 21:14 | 显示全部楼层
黑牛你好,:) :) :)
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-7-23 21:19 | 显示全部楼层

回复 #37 我保有 的帖子

你好.:*19*:
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发表于 2009-7-23 21:20 | 显示全部楼层
通过分析趋势找到即将爆发的股票或板块,否则就像lz另一个帖子里谈到的,在调整的时间通过短差操作不断降低成本等待爆发
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-7-23 21:26 | 显示全部楼层

回复 #35 coco369 的帖子

在任何一个时间周期,都存在单底双底或者三底.

晚年的江恩没有和人们谈论‘任何趋势’问题。只谈‘如何交易’。并比较明确的指出突破买入、单双或者三底买入,胜算比较高。即便这样,他也是反复强调,你的交易行为,‘有可能是错的’。
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